Breadmaking is an art and I am not sure the Panasonic bread maker qualifies me as a baker just yet. I tried sourdough. making the starter the traditional way was easy but the loaf though it did rise, is split and a bit heavy. However you don’t get anywhere without trying and experimenting so rye and spelt flour awaits and we have plenty of sourdough starter (maybe I made too much) but if I keep it going I won’t need to buy awful shop bread again.